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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #450 on: February 08, 2016, 07:11:18 PM »
John Darnley is still protected by the Board for this, he faced a charge but it disappeared before his trial......well how would Tony Hammond look if he had to prosecute the same bloke he gifted a full certifying gasfitting license to.....after one oral exam....but then his work blew someone up and nearly killed him.....
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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #451 on: February 08, 2016, 08:24:25 PM »
Tony Hammond said this in a Board newsletter March 2009....

The Gas Regulations (REG 24) define, amongst others, that the following require certification:

Extensions, additions and replacements to existing gas installations.
Alterations that result in repositioning of pipework or changes to the operation of the installation.



The over 100 withheld photos showed that the pipe work was altered, lowered.....this caused the explosion......Tony Hammond withheld those photos.......

Also the cylinder station was altered and there was a pizza oven fitted half way along.....all by Allgas/Darnley.......but they went after me....




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #452 on: February 08, 2016, 08:27:11 PM »
Have a read of it......attached....


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #453 on: February 08, 2016, 08:32:45 PM »
One further matter that runs through many of the investigations
of complaints is the lack of effective record keeping. While it is
recognised that some of the installation details are recorded on
the Certificate many are not and the results of pressure tests, flue
performance, burner pressures and safety device settings should all be
recorded to demonstrate that an installation has been commissioned
effectively.


From the same newsletter......remember the missing test results that the Board suddenly had no problem with.....AFTER AN EXPLOSION!!!!!

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #454 on: February 08, 2016, 09:52:47 PM »
So weeks before the explosion,

One further matter that runs through many of the investigations
of complaints is the lack of effective record keeping. While it is
recognised that some of the installation details are recorded on
the Certificate many are not and the results of pressure tests, flue
performance, burner pressures and safety device settings should all be
recorded to demonstrate that an installation has been commissioned
effectively
.



now compare the Boards opinion AFTER an explosion nearly killed someone....see attached...


It appears to be one rule for one and another rule for others......its a continuous membership Board....the sins of the past are inherited by the present....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #455 on: February 08, 2016, 09:54:55 PM »
A tad hypocritical eh!

This explosion landed a guy in a burns unit for over two weeks, intensive care and ruined his business.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #456 on: February 10, 2016, 06:56:40 AM »
Look at the list of documents below......had I not tried to warn about dodgy certs covering dangerous work? Look at the dates BEFORE the explosion.

My work was of such a standard that out of 44 charges laid against 3 YEARS worth of my installs (not 10% as claimed by Hammond) only one job was found to "stick"....this is bullshit too, as you can see by the photos earlier in this post and the documents and testimony at my hearing....but I still lost everything.

Now think of any of the past jobs you have signed off......how would you fair in a slanted system like this? Are you going to keep your head down in hope that these people leave you alone?

I was the president of Nelson master Plumbers, I was told I was in......then they firmly planted a dagger in my back.....




Why?   Because I put public safety over these incompetents ego and a cert system so badly run it eventuated in an explosion, had to carry a disclaimer and was finally taken off the Board.....




They refeuse , still to this day to look at a central heating system installed where the water comes in to a califont then to the hot out lets WITH RADS OFF THE RING MAIN!.....fitted by Darnley using his gifted license and dispensations......contaminated water coming out of the shower, atomised so it can be breathed in......

Who's here to police this......it's in Nick Smiths back yard....he don't want to know, the Board don't want to know.....I wonder if they will frame me for it when someone is made ill or worse........I been warning about this one for many years........same as I warned about the other dangerous work......that they framed me for.......


No one has been held responsible for the explosion, Darnley faced a charge but it disappeared before his hearing, most if not all evidence points to Darnley.....but I have paid the price and do every day......

Every one involved in our trade should be appalled and very nervous, nervous that it doesn't suit these people to frame YOU instead of fixing the industry......it has to be fair and transparent.....but most of all the past has to be addressed, otherwise you condone it.




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #457 on: February 11, 2016, 10:03:11 PM »
Here’s the thing.….and believe me I know from experience…the Board’s judicial system (and most law for that matter) is run, judged and governed by “past precedents”….basically any past and accepted history determines the future direction taken.

Historic Board findings, accepted behaviour and results/punishments, statistics, etc, etc are what will determine the Board’s future decisions, i.e. and I can not emphasis this enough....the history of past Board’s will determine the future behaviour of future Boards, this is the basis of Law.

This is how the “Law” works, the Law is a historical record, a body of accepted decisions/out comes, proven evidence with which to use as a measure for future rulings.

For instance I was told (done in a manner that gave the impression that the Board were doing me a favour)…… that the “past president” for plaintiffs accused of any wrong doing are “more likely” to be guilty of the lesser set of circumstances that are part of the accusations that are levelled against the said plaintiff. If you need to see a small part of the twisted content of this SICKNESS just scroll back through this post, its there.....The sick bastards did it in several depraved child sexual abuse case notes on past precedents, applied in a plumbing context (FFS) and sent to my home under a plain wrapper and read by my wife (which shows, I believe the true direction that they were trying to achieve, nothing more than pure intimidation).

Any way I digress….my point being is that they run on past precedents…all governments do......

Now let us look at the Board’s past precedents…..which you can (if we take the intention of the law at face value) be expected to have levelled against you for any future misdemeanours/offences (or if they just want to protect a mate)…..

You might be on the wrong side of a grumpy customer that wants’ it done for nothing and decides to “dobb you in”, bit like the poor sod who fell out with a customer over cost before he had completed the job…..cost him $1000’s for not having a strap on the hot water cylinder….screwed over by the Board, a past precedent.

Now look at just some of the Board’s past precedents ….

They made such a cock up of the gas safety cert system that it had to carry a disclaimer for accuracy…then they had it taken from them, all ignored and swept under the carpet (because it suits them).

When these shortcomings were revealed by a near fatal explosion, they framed someone (me) who had spent the 6 previous years trying to warn about dodgy certs covering dodgy work.

More than happy to ignore huge conflicts of interest.

Sit back and watch evidence being withheld that proved my innocence.

Send letters to your customers telling untruths that prejudiced every site of the charges laid.

They are happy to set people up (and I am not alone) to cover their own short comings/incompetency’s even when someone nearly dies (actually I think the worse the problem, the more chance of a cover up and the appointing of a scapegoat).

They are happy to bail out/ cover up for their certain select few mates at the expense of the innocent people.

Still to this day refuses to look at dangerous work when it suits.

Happy to take illegally 2 million dollars from the industry, because they needed it to stay solvent….(how many struggling plumbers would like to try and get away with that, when your looking at loosing your home and not being able to feed your kids?)

When it goes wrong no one gets punished….they just resign (for private reasons) and get replaced….AND IT CARRIES ON…..

There is much much more, I could go on and on (and I intend to)…….

This is their past precedent…..and when it goes so terribly wrong, the government change the law, allow them to carry on with a new faces at the front, no one who was corrupt is ever punished, even reprimanded, they just get away with it until they get so bad that they are replaced……

I have a novel idea, a deterrent if you will……

A new precedent…..lets have it out in the open, lets punish the corrupt…..so the next time any “new” guy thinks about doing something dodgy or corrupt….he thinks twice....because there are repercussions to their dodgy actions......



The thing is they CAN act with impunity because they know they can, and then get bailed out by the very minister who appointed them in the first place  ......(and these ministers don’t want… and will never want …..any egg on his/her face and admit he/she was wrong in appointing their goons). And the cycle of shit continues….ruining and spitting people’s lives out as it spins.


Guys you need to address this sort of behaviour BEFORE you are on the stand looking at loosing everything….do me a favour, pick out any old PGDB publication/newsletter/etc. …..if you go back to ANY past releases, they ALL claim to be putting the trade and public first, all the new Board’s all claim to up hold the industry and act with integrity and good faith……I beg to differ, the past precedents tell me other wise.....if you don't address the past you are doomed to repeat.....

I don’t and never will believe them until they face up to their past precedents and fix them…..and I don’t think you should either…..

We need a new past precedent….a fair open one where the innocent and public are protected and the trade is treated with respect and fairness.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #458 on: February 11, 2016, 10:08:40 PM »
Basically the governments take on....."past precedents" is.....


You have happily accepted it up to now.....what's your f****ing problem....



Don't wait until they decide (or their good mates decide) that your business is not needed as competition in your area.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #459 on: February 12, 2016, 06:22:26 PM »
Is it too much to ask for fair play........it really does make you wonder ......

Why are we judged on others past precedents....

But those in charge, those running the show, those that pontificate about these past precedents of others when it concerns us......

Well it appears that they aren't even judged on their own past precedents.....what's all that about?

Is this democracy?......sounds more like a dictatorship.....or perhaps a democracy of hypocrisy.....its where you think you got a say and a vote....then they do what ever they like anyway, in the face of what they publicly say....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #460 on: February 12, 2016, 06:33:54 PM »
Remember now the "Board" is an entity, a continuous membership Board, celebrating 100 years of BEING........a bit like a person in law, like a ltd company.....

For them to say we are new and won't do it again.....

The equivalent in my mind is a career repeat offender who claims to be a new person and will never re-offend, because he has been on a sunbed, dyed his hair another colour, had a perm, then had a facelift and liposuction..... hey I am new, I look different....but it is still the same body underneath......

Don't forget the people that are still there, in positions of power too, those that stood by (actually at my hearing) and watched the list of documents and actions below and on this post, the thing is the body underneath the plastic surgery is still the same....just got a face lift.....

Answer up to the past precedent of corruption.....or you have zero credibility or integrity.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #461 on: February 15, 2016, 06:02:55 PM »
I saw a gasfitter today, for the first time since my kangaroo court in 2009.....I told him some of the FACTS.......do you know what shocked me the most......he didn't bat an eye lid.....he said nothing surprises him....and that was why he was going to retiring early....can't wait to be out of it.....


This is the worst part about all this......there is an expectation that this is how you can be treated.....really?..... is this the way forward?

Will this help New Zealand? Will this help build the shortage of houses? Will it promote our trades? Will it grow any respect for our industry?......

I don't believe it will......

What it will do .......it empowers a very small minority, to screw over who ever they choose, when ever they choose.....



The worst part is, we do not only allow them to do this to us and our industry.......but we expect it!!!!!


REALLY?





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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #462 on: February 15, 2016, 06:05:23 PM »
The people who are responsible for this crap should be pulled out into the sunlight for public scrutiny, judged only on the facts.....let the public decide if this behaviour is helpful or wanted.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #463 on: February 17, 2016, 12:07:00 AM »
Give it a farkin rest mate!
Jesus!

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #464 on: February 17, 2016, 06:23:31 AM »
Not going to happen, you might be able to live with corruption but I won't Kerry.


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