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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #675 on: February 28, 2017, 02:21:15 PM »
Apparently Martin in responsible for all the certs.......and now he knows (I have told him) they are a total cluster f**** of a mess, at least in my experience.....

So Mart......what are you going to do about it all......

I will ask you again why are you risking your reputation for the likes of these people.....I will personally help you clean up this mess.

You said once you were looking for people to come forward with problems and issues to help clean the industry up, well here I am sat up straight with my hand up waiting to be asked......
You can't choose who you are.....but you are the sum of your choices.......

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #676 on: March 01, 2017, 07:04:18 AM »
How can you believe a group of people who have stated.........

the board had reviewed all gas certificates......then AFTER they claimed to have "reviewed" ALL the certs..........I found a total mess.....

Now do you think they will answer honestly, they haven't so far......they sit up in that eagles lair with all the evidence locked away from us all, deterring us from looking by charging $25 per cert to peek.....

I was told there were over a 1000 certs in my name, when it was in reality only about 89 (which I found out after the explosion)......this was way back in the early 2000's, explosion was in 2009.

So I was looking at, if I listened to their numbers, $25,000 to check......I was most definitely deterred.....even when I told them that it was impossible for me to have 1000 certs.....

This was totally avoidable......and here is the problem......if you cover up incompetence.......you are forced to continue to cover up, even when it goes terribly wrong......

If it goes nipples skyward......you are forced to cover up even more........if you get away with this cover up (as they have up to today).........they will be well practiced at it.....


What do you think will be there reaction for future f**** ups?.........what if you're in their sights......


What do you think will happen when the "anyone can print off all you like" cert system goes tits up.........who will get shafted there.....

I will tell you who will be shafted...... OUR industry......after THEY have f****ed it up......




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #677 on: March 07, 2017, 07:19:00 AM »
The sickening part about these dodgy, incomplete, inaccurate, scribbled on, twinked, signed blank, mismanaged SAFETY certs (all accepted by the PGDB) and flippantly issued full craftsman licenses, with at least one to a muppet who all the evidence points to in an explosion (as well as at least 9 others)......well all this has been done in peoples lives, their homes and businesses......


And the people charged with looking after this.....rather cover it up.....that is reprehensible.


Basically they would rather protect their reputations than do what they are there to do protecting the NZ public's safety......and we follow these people......really?

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #678 on: March 08, 2017, 06:54:44 PM »
For work safe, lol they told me if I ain't happy I should complain to the Ombudsman.....been there before he doesn't really give a flying Donald duck....


All I have asked for is a copy of an investigation that was done by the people (the only people who laid a complaint which in turn led the whole investigation by the PGDB...........it is based totally on this one complaint by DOL attached below which resulted in this Hazard Alert issued well before the investigation that the PGDB needlessly ruined my life and terrorised my wife for)


You will notice its marked UNCLASSIFED.....should be just a quick copy and past, anyone you needed to talk to could surely be talked to and a reply made within 20 WORKING days its like a month.....



Your recent official information act request - [17/00053] [UNCLASSIFIED]     
 
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WorkSafe New Zealand OIA <oia@worksafe.govt.nz> 
 

5:12 PM (1 hour ago)

Hello Paul Gee

I refer to your official information request received on 9 February 2017, requesting:

By means of the Official Information Act Request, please may I get a copy of the whole case file and investigation notes held by you for an explosion that occurred in Nelson at the Milton Street Chip shop, Event ID 09041401 dated 09/04/2009.         

This letter is to notify you that WorkSafe New Zealand is extending the time available to it to answer your request. Our response will now be made by 31 March 2017.

The reason for the extension is:

15A 1(b) Consultations necessary to make a decision on the request are such that a proper response to the request cannot reasonably be made within the original time limit. (20 working days).

You have the right to contest the decision to extend the time by seeking an investigation and review of that decision by the Ombudsman, whose address for contact purposes is:

The Ombudsman

Office of the Ombudsman

PO Box 10-152

WELLINGTON 6143

If you wish to discuss any aspect of your request or this response, or if you require any further assistance, please contact oia@worksafe.govt.nz.

Kind regards

Cxxxxxxxx Sxxxxx

Team Leader – Ministerial Services

 

Level 6, 86 Customhouse Quay, PO Box 165, Wellington 6140

P     +64 4 896 5981

W   www.worksafe.govt.nz

 

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #679 on: March 09, 2017, 06:49:02 AM »
When you read the DOL complaint, it is full of weird certificate worries, concerns about the certificates.......

Now these certs are covering an explosion, cert 345138 was known by the PGDB in their own words to have had its carbon copies passed around but claim to have never received the pink original by the PGDB...they made this claim within days of the explosion to the chipshop owners lawyer (he was laying in a burns unit at the time).....

This is of course total and utter bollox because that very cert with the same number and cert details appears on their now defunct electronic register, you know the register that carries a disclaimer for accuracy.....then it got moved to ESS and became the "anyone can print off all you like and not register it anywhere" safety cert system......talk about a few hundred steps backwards....

This is the same cert that the investigator claims to have seen the original, see attached, but the PGDB claim to have never had it but it appears on their website, this is the same cert system that Hazel claims to have fully investigated......after the explosion......

In this same compliant it mentions a hose as the cause of the explosion but no one seems to think that a third hose sold many weeks after I left Allgas is of no concern, see receipt attached.....remember that this cert 345138, this hose are all mentioned in the only complaint, the only reason for the investigation in to me......




Now add to that I had warned for SIX years that there was dangerous work practices being covered by dodgy certs.........




Do you guys want to live under a system like that......because I can assure you it is still there and I can assure you that the Ombudsman doesn't give a giant flying Donald Duck.....see attached.


It is a cover up and any one who covers it up, is tainted by it all......it belittles everything they say about fair play, safety, integrity, the "trade".......when the powers that be do this.......you are frankly full of poo....


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #680 on: March 09, 2017, 07:01:04 AM »


We lost everything because of this, and they terrorised my wife like you wouldn't believe.....

the lowest trick being the child sexual abuse case notes sent to my home, which my wife opened and read......

We were forced to sell our recently renovated mortgage free home......

My girl had to go live in a caravan then for a winter with my two boys who were 3 and 5, with no drinking water or a flushing toilet.....while I worked away in NZ housing where I saw some people treat their kids worse than I would treat my dog.


I have had to work away off and on since.......these tossers want me to get on with my life..........give it back and I will, no worries.




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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #681 on: March 09, 2017, 08:37:22 AM »
So they could find the electronic file straight away.....but couldn't get back to me by the 20 day deadline....because they got to "consult"....I wonder who with.......perhaps the PGDB could lend them their shredder.....

A month ago I received this....



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Iona Cameron <xxx xxxx @worksafe.govt.nz> wrote:




Perfect, thanks Paul.  I have found the electronic file and I will also request the hard copy file from Nelson.  You’ll receive a reply to your OIA with 20 working days.

 


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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #682 on: March 09, 2017, 09:16:53 AM »
What cracks me up, and I don't hold any thing against the people on the front desk.....

But my case gets escalated up through the ranks until it is poo poo'd and swept under the very bumpy carpet......


I would love to see the faces of the people when they find out that things aren't as shiny and clean as we are all led to believe.

We supposedly have some sort of freedom with good "robust" systems.....as long as you are prepared to be well and truly rodgered as and when it suits that system, to cover its tracks.....all this is still here today, you are all still working under it.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #683 on: March 13, 2017, 08:03:07 AM »
What did I tell you.......

All of these people know of my case......but do nothing.....I have emailed Jacinda about my case.....not even a reply....


If you needed no other proof than this…..

We are held in total and utter irreverence by these people.......they screw over who suits and ignore those with connections.....



What started out as a DIY brag got Labour's new deputy Jacinda Ardern in the poo after it turned out that it's illegal in some parts of the country to replace a toilet without an authorised plumber.

Ardern landed in hot water after Wellington plumber Justin Will complained over an article in which Ardern was asked about her proudest DIY moment.

Ardern name-checked her partner, broadcaster Clarke Gayford, for his good work replacing an old toilet during renovations of their home in Point Chevalier, Auckland.

That set in motion a formal complaint from Will to the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers board, which was obliged to investigate.


But after Ardern apologised for her error, the board has told Will the case is closed.

Ardern accepted the work she carried out was sanitary plumbing work under the [Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers] Act and that it was unlawful for her to replace the toilet pan herself," chief executive Martin Sawyers wrote in a letter to Will.

"Due to the work being minor and of low risk, Ms Ardern's cooperation, acknowledgement and apology, the board will not be charging Ms Ardern with an offence under the Act but instead have issued her with a warning."

Ardern said she was not above the law and copped to the "crime" as soon as she was contacted.

"I do not blame them whatsoever...If someone raises an issue with them they are obliged to investigate. I absolutely respect that."
 


She didn't know who lodged the complaint but there were no hard feelings.

"It's no Watergate."

Its no Watergate…….what a smart arse reply, she is saying it is no big deal, a total dismissal of our trade and what we have to comply with after sitting an apprenticeship……can a time served registered plumber with three years experience carry out this work?..........




Well Martin……



Due to the work being minor and of low risk….the site of my last charge is of such a low risk that it is the same today as it was when it was installed and the PGDB have told subsequent people to “just close the window when you use it”, Ms Ardern's cooperation…………I have fully co-operated from day one and am actually mentioned in the complaint as coming forward on the day of the explosion………… acknowledgement and apology…….I acknowledge and apologise for the corrupt system that took my business ,reputation and home……..


One rule for us and one rule for them……..wake up.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #684 on: March 13, 2017, 08:29:16 AM »
Doesn't this set a precedent?.......protecting cowboys?........anyone accused of this now can acknowledge, apologise and make a smart arsed play on aquatic word play.........and get away with it?


The thing is when cronyism, corruption and "favours for mates" rules.....you lose integrity, credibility and respect....to the detriment of the trade.

What's with the different translation of the Act in different areas of the country?........  probably because its convenient in a housing shortage to turn a blind eye when it suits....add this to the non registering of any new gas work in 60,000 desperately needed houses and homes........sounds like an explosion of shit to me.....

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #685 on: March 13, 2017, 08:39:15 AM »
Won't even get a reply......emailed this morning....Martin Sawyers copied in to......won't get a response from him either......


We are held in total and utter irreverence by these people.....




Hi Jacinda,

 

I have recently read about your brush with the PGDB.

 

Please take the time to read a submission I made to a Select committee. I have lost everything because of the corrupt and biased actions of the PGDB, the same people who said it was ok for you to change a toilet because you acknowledged and apologised for it.

 

I did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever but lost everything, please can you let me know to whom you acknowledged and apologised to, so I can do the same and clear my name.

 

Yours with integrity Paul Gee.

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2017, 12:55:37 PM »
But Martin had this to say to the Indian community.....

Auckland, March 11, 2017

Tradespeople must make sure that they hold a current licence, with the ‘Licensing Year’ beginning on April 1, 2017.

The Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board (PGDB), which regulates the construction sector, has warned tradespeople that visits are now underway to all regions throughout New Zealand by their investigations team to examine reports of unauthorised work that is being conducted.

Chief Executive Martin Sawyers said; “People carrying out sanitary plumbing, gas-fitting or drain-laying work who are not registered with the Board, are undercutting licensed tradespeople and putting public health and safety at risk.




Is a toilet sanitary plumbing?.....sounds quite sanitary.......sounds quite hypocritical too......also she would surely have the money to pay one of us lowly plumbers......thought she stood for the working man......hmmmm.



When you remember the cases that the PGDB have chased up and ruined peoples lives for, cylinder strap missing on an unfinished job springs to mind, then you have the way all the evidence points to a person gifted his full license, with all the evidence pointing to him for nearly killing someone.....that carpet seems to get bumpier eh?



Still think things have changed with the newbies.....still depends on who you are, who you know and not what you know......

believe me I have lived it.......it's just another goose at the head of the V formation.....and they are still flying the predetermined course.

It amazes me what the media will pick up and broadcast and what they won't..........I have tried a lot......



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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #687 on: March 15, 2017, 04:45:44 PM »
Remember the Official Information Act requests I put in? Well its a joke.....





Martin,

With regards to the OIA I made on the 9th of Feb, I have received your letter of reply. Yet again I am disappointed by the PGDB as the OIA is incomplete.

I asked for ALL correspondence, that includes letters from the DOL as well, not just the PGDB's replies to those letters. It is even written as ALL correspondence in your reply.

I took correspondence as a mass noun, i.e.  Communication by exchanging letters. for example....

‘the organization engaged in detailed correspondence with local MPs’

As these are replies can I now get ALL the correspondence, it is a pretty basic request.

I note two things,

1. You have sent by snail mail against my request for email correspondence

2. John Darnley is mentioned a lot in these letters......how on Earth did his charge for the explosion disappear? Even when all the evidence points in his direction, this smacks of corruption to me......are you going to continue this cover up Martin? I thought more of you, I truly did.

With integrity Paul.


Paul Gee <plumbngas@gmail.com> 

Mar 14 (1 day ago)

to Martin, Wal

Martin,

Please can I get some sort of reply to this email below.

I do hope that you haven't replied by snail mail and I again formally request all the correspondence to me is by email.

To be clear I am after all communication, i.e. ALL the correspondence both outward and inward between the PGDB and the Dept of Labour with regards to the near fatal explosion at Milton Street Chip shop occurring in April 2009, the explosion I was framed for.


You Should note:

I have been trying to warn about dodgy certs covering dangerous work since 2002 (almost 15 years) and trying to clear my name since 2009 (soon to be 8 years)................I have not let up since and I never will.

You are now becoming the next part of the cover up, the opportunity of doing the right thing is passing.

I will force this issue until the next replacement incumbent addresses this (or the next one after that, add infinitum). One will even if it is years from now


What will your legacy be? Do you think those that you are covering for..... will cover for you when the shit hits the fan?.... and it will.... there is nothing surer.....

Please Martin I just want to clear my name, I have done nothing wrong. You can make a mark in the sand for truth and not cover up corruption.

Thank you

With Integrity Paul Gee

Paul Gee <plumbngas@gmail.com> 
 

4:37 PM (2 minutes ago)

to Martin, Wal

Martin,

The deadline for my OIA request has expired, I am entitled by law to some sort of reply.

Please can you tell me what is to happen, what will be your next action. The inaction to me speaks volumes. The Official Information act was implemented to out corruption.

Do I need to go through the façade of a complaint to the Ombudsman?

Yours With Integrity Paul

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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #688 on: March 15, 2017, 08:05:43 PM »
Sent today.....


Why is there one rule for us and no rules for others because we allow it.......wake up guys.....


Martin.




To be clear I requested ALL correspondence, you sent less than half of the conversation. Please can I get all the correspondence, i.e. the whole conversation, it is quite an easy request and your omissions speak volumes.




Please note corruption has no expiry date, a corrupt action is corrupt regardless of time and anyone who helps to cover that corruption by definition becomes corrupt.




You have no idea of the lengths I will go to clear my name, this will become public knowledge and the public at large will become aware of your actions.




I am not a fire burning out over time, but a volcano building pressure.




Martin, go ask your wife what she would do if faced with living in a caravan for 14 weeks of a winter,  with your kids when they were 3 and 5, with no running water or a flushing toilet, having to empty the chemical toilet and collect water from the local i-site with the whole community watching, just before that she received this filth attached as a means to prove an argument, go on ask her......you won't. But we lived this terror. My girl stayed, ironically it is her who protects the scum who sent this.




Just get me the evidence that proves I did no wrong. Pick a side....... I hope your not too sore from being a hand puppet.

With integrity Paul Gee











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Re: Fellow Practitioner Issue 236 Dated 12 December 2014
« Reply #689 on: March 15, 2017, 08:09:11 PM »
Just remember guys the Official Information Act was established to out corruption......


So when you get partial, "oo I didn't know you meant that" replies......its because they know it is corrupt.....dodgy feckers.....


You are running a business under this sort of crap.....I ain't going no where.....


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