hi guys, well it`s nice to be famous for something, perhaps a lesson for everyone that if you do the research you will find the answer and pass on the information, the moral of the story here is that information is free you just need to look for it,cheers

sorry to be a prude robbo but in fact in G4 the measurments are for exchange cylinders and In-situ fill cylinders with the clearances (A) 1500mm, 500 mm above top of cylinder and at base of cylinder measurment (B) 3500mm only for In-situ fill cylinders whereas the removiable exchange bottles have a (A) measurment of 500mm, 500mm above bottle and base (B) 1500...i dont see anywhere where appendix G where size is a factor in this measurment...i know there are of course larger clearances required for larger storage bottles and tanks but in the residental situation one commonly sees the same size exchange bottles...anyways G4 is only an (Informative) part of the code and therefore it is not manadatory to comply with these measurments... But in no way do i deny the knowledge shared here...just like at tech they try to teach us that gas tight is the condition where there are NO leaks in your instalation! which is of course incorrect...the correct code definition is: GASTIGHT. The condition of a gas installation or gas pipework in which any leakage of gas is at a sufficiently low rate that no hazard is likley to ensure.
 I know there trying to impress on me not to have any leaks which i agree with wholehartdley anyway but they have lied to me, all i want is the matter of fact info not there version of what it should be...people fail exams like this by having the wrong info taught to them....anyways i just posted this cus im a serial poster and was bored cus no one else was posting.

robbo im not trying ta rub you up the wrong way im only stating that in the codes:
  1.1.4 interpretation ...an "informative" Appendix is only for information and guidance. Informative provisions do not form part of the mandatory requirements of the standard...
And i say this cus knowing this definition may one day be integeral to defending oneself aghinst the board if ever questioned over placement of bottles of course one would hope to stick to this information as best as one could but dont be fooled into thinking that this has to be, as it can be side stepped if the situation arrises where the full clearance requirments canot be achieved...


1.1.4 For the purpose of this standard,the word "shall" refers to the practices, which are mandatory for compliance with this standard. The words "should" or "may" refer to practices, which are advised or recommended.
eg...G3.3 cylinder connection...The piping between a cylinder and a first stage regulator SHOULD be:etc etc...which means to me i do not have to exactly meet the requirments to achieve code standards...

I am not being anal im just using the codes as they were intended to be used...

 Maybees they need to rewrite the codes and make them set in concrete...but this too would serve no better as sometimes we cant achieve exactly what is pointed in the codes but knowing where and when we can bend the codes to still achieve a safe installation is a tool we all need...At the end of the day if you are to be made accountable for your work it is highly unlikley that you will stray far from the information given in the codes. But it is nice to know there are sections of the codes that allow one freedom of movement to interpert indervidual situations for what they are and come up with an acceptiable solution, and still deliver a safe installation.

With all this accountiabilty now being pointed at trades men with the leaky homes saga knowing the correct definitions and interpitations to this code will only be of bennifit to ones self.

As for another standard that might clear things up a bit more precise:  AS/NZS 1596:2008 - The storage and handling of LP Gas...
I dont have this standard but would love to hear from any person that does have this standard and see what it says about residental cylinder storage...
As NZS 5261:2003 does not seem to have a denifinitive mandatory placement of residental lpg cylinders.

For my two cents worth - directly relating to the truncated cone and clearance from LPG cylinder as outlined in 5261 - if the clearances are impinged on then you need to notify ESS by email and fill out their form, otherwise if you have worked on the installation you will be liable.  This is not up for normative not informative.  I say - when in doubt - always report and ask yourself, by not doing so "who are you doing the favour for."  The biggest issue for gasfitters at the moment seems to be shabbyily installed heatpumps infringing on clearances.  Report, report, report.  By keeping the ESS informed it will ensure that there is more "heat" (pardon the pun) put on the heat pump installers who are unregulated.  Sparkies should be aware of clearances from sources of ignition.

hi guys, don`t worry about distant learning just rob a bank and get free training with meals thrown in, have a look at this:-
Prisoners to receive training to assist Chch
NewstalkZB | 03:22pm Wed 04 May 2011 More prisoners are to receive trade and employment training to help meet skills demand in Christchurch. Corrections Minister Judith Collins says over the next 12 months, between 130 and 160 new training placements in specific trades will be provided at Christchurch Men's Prison. Workshops will be established in a low security area to deliver courses in painting, plastering, plumbing, drain laying and gas welding.Ms Collins says an increase in employment and trade training will reduce re-offending.

hi jax/guys, yes you have to feel for apprentices that are doing and have done it the hard way. Obviously honesty/integrity/respect for the law has gone out of the window paying customers may be very weary of our trades in the future, what will they tell prospective employers on their c.v. also how long for these guys to be trained three,four years. After doing their apprenticeships they can then be introduced to some legalised theft by the pgdb,cheers